I think I am in scheduling hell...


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I am so confused! I have been using Macrium Reflect for a very long time. Recently, maybe due to some OS upgrades, Macrium scheduling seems bizarre!
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT I AM DOING WRONG?
My goal has been to do a full backup on every other Sunday and incremental backups every day. I read that if I schedule incrementals every day and if a full is also scheduled, the full has priority and the incremental will not occur. Okay, I got that. But it does not appear to work that way. [I do not use differential backups.]

Below is my schedule, starting on Sunday, Dec. 17, 2017.

(I will continue my dialogue after the schedule screenshots.)







Here is what seems to happen: A new full backup occurs every Sunday. If you scroll down, please look at the cyan and gray blocks. You will see what I mean.

The next problem has to do with retention rules (I think.) The retention rules that I am using are the next screenshot. Weird, weird, and weird things are happening here as well. Again reference the backup file list below. The yellow items are a full backup on November 26 and incremental backups dated December 31 for the same backup set. There are no incrementals for this set between 11/26 and 12/31. HELP!Ermm





[Sorry that the list below is out of alignment..]

G:\Macrium\ - Page 1/1
25F80D352493DB48-00-00.mrimg36.3 G10/15/2017 17:53-a--
32D2A3AD33EAD233-00-00.mrimg45.7 G10/22/2017 17:56-a--
55DB717F733C8A5F-00-00.mrimg35.4 G11/05/2017 17:53-a--
182C012A9C4C3051-00-00.mrimg36.9 G11/12/2017 17:53-a--
04FE8F1905C67786-00-00.mrimg38.9 G11/19/2017 17:54-a--
4138FB75A8786066-00-00.mrimg39.0 G11/26/2017 17:54-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-00-00.mrimg45.2 G12/03/2017 17:55-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-01-01.mrimg 1.5 G12/04/2017 17:46-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-02-02.mrimg 1.7 G12/05/2017 17:46-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-03-03.mrimg 4.1 G12/06/2017 17:47-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-04-04.mrimg 1.2 G12/07/2017 17:46-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-05-05.mrimg 1.3 G12/08/2017 17:46-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-06-06.mrimg16.9 G12/09/2017 17:52-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-07-07.mrimg 4.8 G12/10/2017 17:50-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-08-08.mrimg 1.4 G12/11/2017 17:46-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-09-09.mrimg 4.2 G12/13/2017 17:47-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-10-10.mrimg810.1 M12/14/2017 17:46-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-11-11.mrimg 1.7 G12/15/2017 17:47-a--
8E14CB7D1A517EAF-12-12.mrimg 1.4 G12/16/2017 17:47-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-00-00.mrimg45.8 G12/17/2017 17:56-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-01-01.mrimg 2.7 G12/18/2017 17:46-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-02-02.mrimg 1.0 G12/19/2017 17:46-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-03-03.mrimg 0.9 G12/20/2017 17:47-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-04-04.mrimg 1.3 G12/21/2017 17:47-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-05-05.mrimg847.7 M12/22/2017 17:48-a--
9A7785DA19C09155-06-06.mrimg945.0 M12/23/2017 17:48-a--

7DCCD5408F16B13C-00-00.mrimg47.6 G12/24/2017 17:56-a--
7DCCD5408F16B13C-01-01.mrimg 0.9 G12/25/2017 17:52-a--
7DCCD5408F16B13C-02-02.mrimg781.0 M12/26/2017 17:46-a--
7DCCD5408F16B13C-03-03.mrimg 1.0 G12/27/2017 17:47-a--
7DCCD5408F16B13C-04-04.mrimg828.4 M12/28/2017 17:47-a--
7DCCD5408F16B13C-05-05.mrimg931.4 M12/29/2017 17:47-a--
7DCCD5408F16B13C-06-06.mrimg 1.4 G12/30/2017 17:53-a--

4138FB75A8786066-07-07.mrimg33.9 G12/31/2017 17:52-a--
4138FB75A8786066-08-08.mrimg 1.1 G12/31/2017 17:52-a--

43CAB53D3E8897C6-00-00.mrimg47.2 G12/31/2017 18:02-a--
533,470,413 k in 36 files

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First, you're looking at the settings for the default retention policy, which is what Reflect starts with when you create new definition files; changes there will NOT be applied to any existing definition files.  Notice that your first retention policy screenshot specifies retention in number of backups whereas the screenshot of your definition file settings shows retention settings in number of weeks/days.  To edit the retention policy of an existing definition file, go to the Backup Definition Files tab, right-click your definition file, and select Schedule.

However, that wouldn't explain why you're getting a new Full every week, because your schedule is configured in a way that should achieve your stated goal.  Can you post a screenshot of your "Scheduled Backups" tab in Reflect just to verify that the scheduled task has been created consistent with your settings?

Edited 1 January 2018 11:00 PM by jphughan
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jphughan - 1 January 2018 10:50 PM
First, you're looking at the settings for the default retention policy, which is what Reflect starts with when you create new definition files; changes there will NOT be applied to any existing definition files.  Notice that your first retention policy screenshot specifies retention in number of backups whereas the screenshot of your definition file settings shows retention settings in number of weeks/days.  To edit the retention policy of an existing definition file, go to the Backup Definition Files tab, right-click your definition file, and select Schedule.

However, that wouldn't explain why you're getting a new Full every week, because your schedule is configured in a way that should achieve your stated goal.  Can you post a screenshot of your "Scheduled Backups" tab in Reflect just to verify that the scheduled task has been created consistent with your settings?



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I assume this is the screenshot you wanted.  Thanks.


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Ok, that looks correct as well, and it's very strange that your backups seem to have a mixture of Fulls that are spaced 1 week and 2 weeks apart.  In December, the only unexpected Full seems to be the one that occurred on 12/24, but for the pre-December backups, there's only one 2-week gap in the Fulls; the rest are weekly -- but since your current schedule only took effect as of 12/17, I can't tell which ones shouldn't have existed, assuming you were using this configuration back then.  Have you already tried just editing your definition file to delete all schedule entries, clicking OK, and then editing it again to recreate the schedules?

The only other possibility I can think of would be to check Windows Task Scheduler directly.  Open the application and see if there are more than 2 jobs that begin with "Macrium" -- maybe there's some scheduled task that got orphaned somehow such that it's still running but isn't shown in Reflect?

Edited 1 January 2018 11:19 PM by jphughan
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jphughan - 1 January 2018 11:19 PM
Ok, that looks correct as well, and it's very strange that your backups seem to have a mixture of Fulls that are spaced 1 week and 2 weeks apart.  In December, the only unexpected Full seems to be the one that occurred on 12/24, but for the pre-December backups, there's only one 2-week gap in the Fulls; the rest are weekly -- but since your current schedule only took effect as of 12/17, I can't tell which ones shouldn't have existed, assuming you were using this configuration back then.  Have you already tried just editing your definition file to delete all schedule entries, clicking OK, and then editing it again to recreate the schedules?

The only other possibility I can think of would be to check Windows Task Scheduler directly.  Open the application and see if there are more than 2 jobs that begin with "Macrium" -- maybe there's some scheduled task that got orphaned somehow such that it's still running but isn't shown in Reflect?

Thanks very much for taking an interest in this problem.  I have not found any way to fix it. Task Scheduler shows only two Macrium tasks, scheduled correctly.  I had this problem previously, and deleted the old XML file and scheduled backups. I then created new tasks and schedules that took effect on Dec. 17.  I was confident that those actions would resolve the problem.  Sadly not, which is why I am reaching out for more help.  This does not make much sense!

I will try to wrestle with the retention rule issue, which I see as a separate issue..
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I don’t see what’s causing this problem either, so this may require a support ticket to Macrium — sorry I can’t be of further help! In terms of the retention policy, if the retention policy shown in your third screenshot is what you want to retain, then there isn’t an issue there. The default settings don’t have to align with the settings in your definition file. But if you have questions about retention policies, best practices, results of certain configurations, etc., I’d be happy to help with that. Smile
Edited 2 January 2018 1:27 AM by jphughan
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jphughan - 2 January 2018 1:26 AM
I don’t see what’s causing this problem either, so this may require a support ticket to Macrium — sorry I can’t be of further help! In terms of the retention policy, if the retention policy shown in your third screenshot is what you want to retain, then there isn’t an issue there. The default settings don’t have to align with the settings in your definition file. But if you have questions about retention policies, best practices, results of certain configurations, etc., I’d be happy to help with that. Smile

Thanks again for your assistance.  I  will try to submit a ticket, but my Macrium is Version 6 and no longer has support.

The retention issue is confusing to me and I welcome your input. Below is a screenshot of my actual retention policy. All I want to do is keep about 12 weeks of backups (full backup with all its incrementals). Any backups older than 12 weeks can be deleted to make room for more recent versions.  How would you recommend that I set this up?


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Macrium supports the previous major release until a year after the launch of the newer release.  Since V7 didn't launch until late February 2017, V6 would still be supported for a bit longer, so I would submit a ticket on this one and include a link to this thread.

For your retention policy, if you want to retain Fulls and all of their child Incrementals for 12 weeks, then the only thing change you need to make is to uncheck the Incremental retention policy checkbox.  Currently your retention policy specifies that Incrementals should only be retained for a month, which means that if you look more than a month back in time, the only backups you'll still have will be your Fulls, with none of their child Incrementals.  Reflect would've been using Incremental consolidation to delete older Incrementals without breaking the chain.  By unchecking the Incremental retention policy, you'll essentially be telling Reflect to let Incrementals grow without any limit, but because you'll still have the retention policy for your Fulls, growth will still be controlled that way because whenever a Full is deleted, all of its child Inc and Diff backups are also deleted since they become useless without their parent Full anyway.  This change will also give you faster Inc backups because Reflect won't have to perform Incremental consolidation operations anymore.  However, it will also increase your storage requirements because you'll now be retaining 12 weeks of Incrementals rather than 30 days.

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jphughan - 2 January 2018 3:29 PM
Macrium supports the previous major release until a year after the launch of the newer release.  Since V7 didn't launch until late February 2017, V6 would still be supported for a bit longer, so I would submit a ticket on this one and include a link to this thread.

For your retention policy, if you want to retain Fulls and all of their child Incrementals for 12 weeks, then the only thing change you need to make is to uncheck the Incremental retention policy checkbox.  Currently your retention policy specifies that Incrementals should only be retained for a month, which means that if you look more than a month back in time, the only backups you'll still have will be your Fulls, with none of their child Incrementals.  Reflect would've been using Incremental consolidation to delete older Incrementals without breaking the chain.  By unchecking the Incremental retention policy, you'll essentially be telling Reflect to let Incrementals grow without any limit, but because you'll still have the retention policy for your Fulls, growth will still be controlled that way because whenever a Full is deleted, all of its child Inc and Diff backups are also deleted since they become useless without their parent Full anyway.  This change will also give you faster Inc backups because Reflect won't have to perform Incremental consolidation operations anymore.  However, it will also increase your storage requirements because you'll now be retaining 12 weeks of Incrementals rather than 30 days.

Thanks very much. That clarifies many mysteries.
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