Target file name not honored with 7.1 with File and folder backups.


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After updating the last 7.0.x version of Reflect to version 7.1, I attempted to perform a File and folder backup, but there's a bug in the file naming scheme.  It does not save the target image file name as the file name you specify it under Backup file name in the Job.


I set the Backup file name in the Job to September 2017 Temporary Files 09-28-2017 but it instead saved the file as September 2017 Temporary Files 09-00-00.


I ran the backup again, changing the file name to see if this is repeatable.  It is repeatable, even when I changed the file name to September 2017 Temporary Files 09-29-2017, it still saved the file as September 2017 Temporary Files 09-00-00.


So, this seems to be a bug.


Thanks!

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I'm wondering if the 00-00 is the result of truncating your supplied name plus the application of Reflect's own naming convention (00-00 being used for Full backups) rather than Reflect choosing to ignore your file names.  I grant that the coincidence of having it truncated in exactly the "right" way is slight, but it still seems more likely than Reflect just deciding to change the last few numbers of a name you provided.  What happens if you perform an Incremental?  Or if you shorten (or lengthen) your supplied file name?

Edited 28 September 2017 8:44 PM by jphughan
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I, too, had wondered if it was some kind of truncating going on somewhere.  I dismissed that as a possibility because I would think it would just cut off the text entirely rather than replace text.  But, you never know, right?


I always do Full backups on File and folder backups because I usually change the target file name to reflect the current date.  For my own record keeping scheme.


I did forget to mention I lengthened the Backup file name to September 2017 Temporary Files Backup 09-28-2017 as a test.  The resulting file name was still wrong: September 2017 Temporary Files Backup 09-00-00.mrbak.  The same error, except it did have the new word Backup in the file name.


Let me try making it a smaller name.  Maybe it's a file length issue?  Although 48 characters generally shouldn't trigger any kind of error like that.  You usually get such errors on excesses of 128 or 256 characters.


I renamed the Backup file name to just 09-28-2017.  The actual target saved was just 09-00-00.


I also changed the target size so it wouldn't be split, as the first Job had more than 4 GB of target files.  And I had the file split at 4 GB.  Even at less than 500 MB, it still didn't honor the Backup file name.


I performed an Incremental, and the results were, well, definitely interesting to say the least.  First, I performed a Full backup and got this file:

September 2017 Temporary Files Backup 09-00-00

I then added some other files to the Job to perform an Incremental backup on, and I got this weird file name:

0F3B749128BBC850-00-00


I absolutely cannot explain that.  Unless it's ignoring the Backup file name target in performing the Incremental and using the Image ID as the File name, even though I did not have that option checked.

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I witnessed the same issue when performing a new full image backup (my individual backup file name got truncated). However, deleting the old backup definition file and creating a new one solved the problem...

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That didn't work for me.


I even tried creating an entirely new Backup Definition File XML with a new name and with a similar but Backup file name and different source files.  Got the same incorrect Backup file name after running.


Did you perform this Full image on a partition or a file and folder backup?  I noticed no issue performing Incremental backups to today's Full partitions backup, after updating to 7.1, and I performed several Incremental backups to these partition backups.  No problem with the file naming scheme.  It seems to only happen on file and folder backups.


I'll know more tomorrow when the first Full partition backup occurs.

Edited 28 September 2017 9:43 PM by dbminter
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I don't use file & folder backups (as they cannot restore a system partition and are also much slower when restoring a huge data partition). I was talking about old images and incrementals...

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Dreamer2004 - 28 September 2017 10:55 PM
I don't use file & folder backups (as they cannot restore a system partition and are also much slower when restoring a huge data partition). I was talking about old images and incrementals...

The only reason I set up F&F backups on a large Data partition for a client is because only F&F backups can extract individual files and folders in a way that restores custom NTFS permissions, which is important on the file server where Reflect is installed.  Technically an image backup could be mounted and command-line tools could be used to copy things back with permissions, but I had to write "In case I'm hit by a bus" procedural documentation for non-technical people explaining how to perform various types of restores in various scenarios, and I figured that if those people ever needed that, the circumstances would be stressful enough that expecting them to properly use command-line tools would not be ideal.

I wish the F&F restore wizard supported specifying an image backup from which to extract files, since its pick list navigation tree interface for selecting files to restore could work the same way on image backups once the desired partition from an image backup was selected, but until then I'm stuck with F&F.

Edited 28 September 2017 11:05 PM by jphughan
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking was most likely the case.  You were doing partition backups.


File and folder backups have their uses.  For instance, I keep offline versions of software installers on hand.  You never know when you might later discover a bug in software and have to regress to an older version.  You can't do that with an online installer which only gets the latest version.  As I add new files, it becomes a little unwieldy to use partition backups when you only need to backup a new file.


Plus, my file backups generally go to optical discs as temporary storage until I can do a massive backup of the files all at once to a longer term archive, also to disc.

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I can confirm that the file name set in a File & Folder backup is not honoured.
Directory of W:\Macrium Backup\FFBackup

13/09/2017 10:09  3,197,763,672 FFBackup #2017-09-13-10-07#-00-00.mrbak
14/09/2017 00:05  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-14-00-04#-00-00.mrbak
15/09/2017 12:25  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-15-12-24#-00-00.mrbak
16/09/2017 13:45  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-16-13-43#-00-00.mrbak
17/09/2017 14:49  3,197,763,706 FFBackup #2017-09-17-14-48#-00-00.mrbak
18/09/2017 12:44  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-18-12-42#-00-00.mrbak
19/09/2017 13:13  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-19-13-11#-00-00.mrbak
20/09/2017 11:55  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-20-11-54#-00-00.mrbak
21/09/2017 10:08  3,197,763,715 FFBackup #2017-09-21-10-06#-00-00.mrbak
22/09/2017 12:41  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-22-12-39#-00-00.mrbak
23/09/2017 13:57  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-23-13-56#-00-00.mrbak
24/09/2017 13:34  3,197,763,714 FFBackup #2017-09-24-13-34#-00-00.mrbak
26/09/2017 13:24  3,197,763,715 FFBackup #2017-09-26-13-06#-00-00.mrbak
27/09/2017 11:42  3,197,763,672 FFBackup #2017-09-27-11-41#-00-00.mrbak
29/09/2017 11:14  3,197,763,655 FFBackup #2017-09-29-00-00.mrbak

Today's backup is given a name by MR - not the one I specified!



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Macrium Reflect Patch Details
Bug Fixes v7.1.2611 - 29th September 2017:
  • Windows XP VSS problem
    Some systems running Windows XP could fail to read the VSS snapshot. This has been resolved.
  • User overriden file names not honoured
    This has been resolved.


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