My MSI M7 Bios is setup to boot from Thumb drive then CD disk and then win 10 in that order.
I made Macruim V8 rescue media for both the TD and the CD. I can boot the TD rescue media Okay but with
just the CD rescue media installed, the computer loads the windows 10 recovery screen with choices to boot into Win10 or troubleshoot
or boot the CD. If I choose the CD the system will go into a loop and all that happens is the Win 10 recovery screen
keeps loading and will continue till I select the boot to Win 10. I don't know why is doesn't just load the rescue CD I made.

I am enclosing a snapshot of my Bios setup priorities.  I turned off fast boot.



Update: After I posted this I tried to boot from a Macruim V7.2..3957 rescue disk and that one booted okay, no issues. At the top of the screen it showed V7.2.3957.
Just thought I'd add that bit of news. I am using V8.0.7175 Also, the rescue media V8 for th thumb drive will boot just fine. With the CD, I have to use the older V7
as V8 doesn't boot. I used the default options when I created the rescue media for the CD.

It sounds like the Rescue Media built on V7 doesn't have drivers for your CD drive.   One other thought:  when you built it, you selected the checkbox that says to pause when booting from it before loading the RM files.   Also, if your MSI BIOS is like mine it has a specific FKey that can be pressed while loading to override the BIOS boot order.  This prevents having to check all the other possibilities before you get to your normal boot disk. Thus you can remove those extra entries from the normal boot sequence.  AFAIK, v8 Rescue Media can be used to restore from image files created by V7.

Check the Windows PE/RE versions used by each Rescue Media build.  That is entirely separate from the Reflect version and much more relevant to boot scenarios.  The WinPE/RE versions are displayed in the Rescue Media title bar running across the top of the interface.  Disabling the "Prompt for key press to continue boot sequence" in Rescue Media Builder can also often be useful because sometimes that prompt doesn't last long enough for a display to refresh in order to show it, and thus you don't react to it.  That option only applies to disc builds, not flash media builds, so it's possible your V7 CD was created with that option disabled while your V8 CD had it enabled.

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L. W. "Dan" Danz - 18 December 2022 11:55 PM

It sounds like the Rescue Media built on V7 doesn't have drivers for your CD drive.   One other thought:  when you built it, you selected the checkbox that says to pause when booting from it before loading the RM files.   Also, if your MSI BIOS is like mine it has a specific FKey that can be pressed while loading to override the BIOS boot order.  This prevents having to check all the other possibilities before you get to your normal boot disk. Thus you can remove those extra entries from the normal boot sequence.  AFAIK, v8 Rescue Media can be used to restore from image files created by V7.

You don't need CD drivers to boot from a CD.  The system handles hardware support during initial boot before handing off control to the OS, but once Rescue has loaded into RAM, it no longer needs access to optical drives anyway.  (The initial system handling of hardware support is how it's possible for WinPE 3.1, which has no USB 3.x support, to be booted from a USB 3.x flash drive connected to a USB 3.x port.  But if you do that, you will then then find yourself in the odd situation of your WinPE 3.1 environment itself not being able to see the flash drive it just loaded from.)

Also, I'm fairly certain that optical drive drivers were standardized and baked into WinPE a LONG ago anyway.

Thanks for the replies but when I boot with the V8 rescue CD and press the key to continue to boot to the CD the next thing that appears is the Windows recovery program  (see attached image)
why is that loading up? From the Windows Recovery screen I select the boot from CD and the press any key (again) and the Windows recovery screen is back with same options. IOW, looping.
I don't understand how the Windows Recovery screen is factoring in, when after I press the any key, I should go straight to Macriium program. Again, this doesn't happen with that V7 rescue disc
when it loads, I press the any key and it goes right into Macrium rescue as advertised. I just ordered some CD-RW's as I am tired of blistering coasters when ever I create a rescue disc with a try
this and try try that options. It gets expensive and waste full for me.

You didn't attach an image.  And out of curiosity, why is a CD a priority?  You've confirmed that a flash drive works, and flash drives boot MUCH faster than optical discs.  And they're dead cheap these days, even those that come from reputable brands and offer decent read speeds (but probably lackluster write speeds on the low end of the price spectrum).

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jphughan - 19 December 2022 4:21 PM

You didn't attach an image.  And out of curiosity, why is a CD a priority?  You've confirmed that a flash drive works, and flash drives boot MUCH faster than optical discs.  And they're dead cheap these days, even those that come from reputable brands and offer decent read speeds (but probably lackluster write speeds on the low end of the price spectrum).

True, however, thumb drives are prone to crash and I wanted another "safety" method and ability to have a secondary rescue media to use for restoration. A plan "B".
I thought I had attached an image, I will attempt this again. So there are two issues here. One is that my older V7 rescue cd will boot, and when I load my V8 rescued "CD" it loads
the windosw 10 rescue tool (see attached image). If Macrium still supports CD's then why can I not use the ability to boot with a CD rescue disk?  I use the paid version of Macrium 8.
With Versio 8 of macrium, it seems like it wants to get boot with the Windows Restore tool instead of going straight to Macrium. I've been as lucid as I can be.

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jphughan - 19 December 2022 12:46 AM

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L. W. "Dan" Danz - 18 December 2022 11:55 PM

It sounds like the Rescue Media built on V7 doesn't have drivers for your CD drive.   One other thought:  when you built it, you selected the checkbox that says to pause when booting from it before loading the RM files.   Also, if your MSI BIOS is like mine it has a specific FKey that can be pressed while loading to override the BIOS boot order.  This prevents having to check all the other possibilities before you get to your normal boot disk. Thus you can remove those extra entries from the normal boot sequence.  AFAIK, v8 Rescue Media can be used to restore from image files created by V7.

You don't need CD drivers to boot from a CD.  The system handles hardware support during initial boot before handing off control to the OS, but once Rescue has loaded into RAM, it no longer needs access to optical drives anyway.  (The initial system handling of hardware support is how it's possible for WinPE 3.1, which has no USB 3.x support, to be booted from a USB 3.x flash drive connected to a USB 3.x port.  But if you do that, you will then then find yourself in the odd situation of your WinPE 3.1 environment itself not being able to see the flash drive it just loaded from.)

Also, I'm fairly certain that optical drive drivers were standardized and baked into WinPE a LONG ago anyway.

I can load from flash drives if you mean Thumb drives. No issue whe booting with the Thumb Drive. It's booting with a CD and having WIndows 10 restore screen with options that didn't happen
with my V7 rescue CD. That on (V7) will in fact take me to Macrium screen and ability to restore from any drive.

Flash drives aren't any more prone to crashing than CDs are to scratching, especially if you dedicate them to Rescue Media and store them safely.  But in any case, V8 still supports booting from optical disc.  Did you notice the first part of my first post in this thread, quoted below?



For V8, use the flash drive to see the WinPE/RE version since the CD isn't booting.  As long as you're not changing Rescue Media settings when building to the flash drive vs. a CD, then the CD will have the same WinPE/RE version.

Also, do you happen to have any other PC where you can test that V8 CD?

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jphughan - 19 December 2022 5:03 PM

Flash drives aren't any more prone to crashing than CDs are to scratching, especially if you dedicate them to Rescue Media and store them safely.  But in any case, V8 still supports booting from optical disc.  Did you notice the first part of my first post in this thread, quoted below?

Check the Windows PE/RE versions used by each Rescue Media build. That is entirely separate from the Reflect version and much more relevant to boot scenarios. The WinPE/RE versions are displayed in the Rescue Media title bar running across the top of the interface.

For V8, use the flash drive to see the WinPE/RE version since the CD isn't booting.  As long as you're not changing Rescue Media settings when building to the flash drive vs. a CD, then the CD will have the same WinPE/RE version.

Also, do you happen to have any other PC where you can test that V8 CD?

From the title bars:
Thumb drive header reads: V8.0.6392 WIndows 10 R 2004 64 bit UEFI
The cd reads: V7.2.3957 Windows RE10 Release 1809 64 bit UEFI

The rescue V8, I couldn't tell ya,,,,it doesn't load but rather loads the Windows 10 recovery tool and never will load the rescue CD - that is the problem.