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Nick - 19 May 2021 12:16 PM

Thanks for the comment. We're looking at adding an option in Reflect to choose the font point size, and we hope to have this available for the next update. At this stage we can't tell you when this will be, but it won't be a very long wait.

Hi Nick, working my way up from v5-v6-v7 I just purchased the 4-Pack Home upgrade, but I'll wait to install v8 until the font size option is available.  You added various Dark Mode Themes.  How about having a Classic Theme too using the v7 type UI icons?  The v8 UI icons are pretty bland and boring imho.

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Nick - 19 May 2021 12:16 PM

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laszlo1 - 19 May 2021 4:03 AM

I would like a larger font size, because even at 175 DPI the font size is very small. I can hardly see it.

Thanks for the comment. We're looking at adding an option in Reflect to choose the font point size, and we hope to have this available for the next update. At this stage we can't tell you when this will be, but it won't be a very long wait.

Same problem. Looks like a 6pt font. Have same problem in V7.nn on different machine. Running 1920x1080 display with a custom scale of 115%.  This update is sorely needed.

it would be great if this could be moved to the new MR 8 forum.

Just out of curiosity, could somebody who feels the V8 font is too small post a screenshot of a specific example, especially if they feel this is different from V7?  I was involved in the V8 beta, which I used on a system where I switched between 100% and 125% scaling based on the display(s) that were available at any given time, and I didn't notice a change in font sizes from V7 to V8.  And yet suddenly fonts are a hot topic on this forum.

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jphughan - 22 May 2021 11:45 PM

Just out of curiosity, could somebody who feels the V8 font is too small post a screenshot of a specific example, ...

I'm not one of those that commented on the font, but I can sort of see what they mean.  I brought up a Remote Desktop session of a PC running Reflect v8 overlaying a local Reflect v7.

The v7 font seems to be a very small amount larger, bolder, and, for me, just a bit easier to read.  I think the difference is slight but noticeable.

And here's a side by side capture of the list of logs.


Here I think v8 is slightly easier to read (although the filter specification takes up an unfortunate amount of screen space).

I did the same side-by-side (even the same way by RDPing into another system, in fact!) and I didn’t notice anything significant, but maybe as you say even a small difference in size, bold, and/or typeface may be enough to trigger some sort of threshold. Regarding the log filter UI, I suppose moving the Backup Definition dropdown over to the right “column” might allow it to take up less vertical space, but I don’t mind it. I’m still able to see a large quantity of logs, and it’s definitely a huge improvement over the Logs UI in V7 in my book. Not being forced to expand different nodes based on backup type, having immediate access to job logs rather than having to expand a date node, being able to filter them, etc. are all things I like.

We have been struggling with the font size for years. It is not just a V8 problem. although that seems to have made it worse. Maybe the V8 font is a tad smaller or maybe familiarity with the V7 layout makes the difference. It's not just MR either, although MR is a poor example. UI's get developed by young people with 20:20 vision. It took a long time for for MS to get the message and allow text size to be increased in W10 components, a contributing reason why so many people stuck with W7, There really is no excuse for making such a great piece of software unnecessarily difficult to use. 

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Patrick O'Keefe - 23 May 2021 2:22 AM

Your side by side captures exemplify what happens when changes to the UI are made "not because they are needed" .. but for the sake of making changes. Improvements under the hood are one thing, but why "mess" with an already excellent UI in the process.  As for screen space, the filtering function should be optional for those who use it.  I know, a minor point, but what's wrong with Restore?  That's normally where Existing Backups are found, right!? 

I think it made perfect sense to rename Restore to Existing Backups, because that UI allows you to do a great deal more with your backups than simply restore them, such as browsing, verifying, deleting, etc. It was even possible to create new Diff/Inc backups from the Restore area of V7. I remember multiple users pointing out that it was a bit odd to go to a tab called Restore to delete or create new backups.

As for the filters, I’m not arguing that a way to collapse the filter area wouldn’t be handy, but I personally haven’t thought to myself, “I sure wish I could see more log entries at a time here.” Maybe that’s because V8 even in its current form allows you to see far more logs in a given view than V7 did — and the filter capability allows you to make even better use of that list space by having it display only the logs you actually want to see.

I don’t think the changes were made just for the sake of making changes at all, beyond perhaps a certain level of refreshing the UI to keep it looking modern. But would you praise Microsoft for their restraint if Windows today still looked like Windows 95? If not, then hopefully you can acknowledge that sometimes UIs get refreshed because users overall expect things to remain….fresh. I was fine with V7’s UI, but I don’t see V8 as a “messed with” version of that UI. The new Existing Backups and Logs views are much more information-dense, intuitive, and easier to navigate in my view.

I’m not sure what happened with the fonts, but it seems like a fairly minor change that unexpectedly became an issue. More important is that Macrium has already committed to addressing it.

I, too, think the name change to Existing Backups was a good idea.  I think it better defines what you'll find there rather than "Restore".  Also, I am not troubled by the font size but that's just me.